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Episode 9: World Marathon Records are Falling, Ineos 1:59, Breaking 2, Nike Vaporfly 4%, Mechanical Doping, and more



In this episode of the Art and Science of Running Podcast, we discuss the history of the Breaking 2 project, the Ineos 1:59 Challenge, collaborative coaching, the evolution of footwear, fuelling, pacer formations, world marathon records, doping, mechanical doping, and more.

The History of Breaking 2

It all started at the 2013 Great North Run (Half Marathon) between the all-time greats, Haile Gebrselassie, Kenenisa Bekele, and Mo Farah.

Yanis Pitsiladis, the foremost expert in genetics in East Africa based at the University of Brighton formulated the sub 2:00 concept. Pitsiladis approached the 2 hour barrier through a collaborative effort at various universities, but his project ultimately stalled and stopped growing.

In 2016 Nike launched its own project. After his marathon debut in 2014, Kenenisa Bekele was headhunted to be one of the athletes to prepare to break 2 hours. Ultimately, it was not Bekele, but rather Kipchoge of Kenya and two others, Zersenay Tadese of Eritrea, and Lelisa Desisa of Ethiopia.

Breaking 2 was truly scientifically motivated. Ultimately Kipchoge ran 2:00:25.

Alex Hutchinson was there and wrote about the experiment in Endure: Mind, Body, and the Curiously Elastic Limits of Human Performance.

After coming within 25 seconds of the 2 hour barrier in Breaking 2, Kipchoge broke the world record in Berlin in 2018 in 2:01:39. After running and winning the London Marathon in 2019 the best option to try to break 2 hours in a controlled setting would be the Fall of 2019 before focussing on the 2020 Olympics.

In episode 4 with Alex Leuchanka, the Senior Applied Innovation Officer for VF Corp we discussed some of the work he and others are doing in the field of data collection in biomechanics. Alex mentioned a key note address at a conference he had attended in the area detailing the extensive data collection Nike had been doing to inform shoe design.

Nike was able to predict with hyper accuracy what Kipchoge was going to run at Berlin based on the models they were able to create from the data collected win training. Leading up to the Ineos 1:59 there was so much data collected over the years that there was little doubt that Kipchoge would not break 2:00.

“If you can take anything out of this, it is that Kipchoge is an absolute role model for any runner in mindset and mind control. . . [He is] amazing at being able to turn up on the day and execute. His ability to get into this flow state / mindset / brain state is insanely good. His ability to stay concentrated and relaxed for two hours, but he could also take direction while on the run. He naturally has this ability to drop in and out of flow state for two hours straight which makes him hyper efficient.”

Malc Kent

Coach / Athlete Relationship

The coach / athlete relationship between Kipchoge and Patrick Sang is more collaborative and athlete guided than some might suspect.

The goal of a coach is to help our athletes not need us. Ultimately, the goal of both coach and athlete is to trust the process with the goal of long term-development.

As we discussed in Episode 2 of the Art and Science of Running Podcast, Eliud is the patriarch of the group.

“What is amazing is how incredibly anchored and stable he is. He could have looked things up on the Internet and second guessed what he was doing, but he didn’t. He accepted the process, the simplicity.”

Malc Kent

Introducing the Nike Vaporfly 4%

The Nike Vaporflies were worn in competition for the first time at 2016 US Olympic Marathon Trials.

With some metabolic data studies it was determined that the original Vaporflys gave an average of 4% increase in running economy and as much as 6%.

As discussed in Episode 4 of the Art and Science of Running Podcast, the distinguishing feature of these shoes is the Pebax foam with carbon fibre plate.

Latest available model in this line is called the Nike Zoom Vaporfly Next %.

Kipchoge wore the “Alphaflys” in the Ineos 1:59 Challenge. These shoes are believed to also include pebax foam, forefoot pods, and multiple carbon fiber plates.

Although these shoes were not shared with the general public until just before the Ineos 1:59 Challenge, Nike filed a patent application in US in November 2018 for the concept of the shoe worn at the Ineos 1:59 Challenge.

So without taking away from all that Kipchoge and others have accomplished in these new Nike technologies, it begs the question:

Is it the shoes?

Would Kipchoge have been able to break 2 without the shoes?

Would Bekele have been able to do what he did by almost besting Kipchoge’s mark in the marathon without the shoes?

Would others have been able to do what they have done without the shoes? (See lists of top marathon times of all time).

Rodger Cram’s study of the original Nike Vaporfly prototype showed an improvement of 4%.

And it is rumoured that the Next % gives even more back.

For comparison of the Nike Vaporfly models and how / why their return varies from model to model:

Stack heights – height of mid sole.

  • Vaporfly 4% return, 31 mm
  • Next % – 5% return, 36 mm
  • Alphafly – 6% – possibly more, 41 mm

But this isn’t just about metabolic tests in a lab. Times are dropping at an unprecedented rate.

See list of all time fastest marathon times and courses: https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a20823734/these-are-the-worlds-fastest-marathoners-and-marathon-courses/

Eight out of ten of the ten times of all time have been run since 2016 and the advent of the Nike Vaporflys.*

“It is not unreasonable to suggest that the shoe that we are looking with pebax foam has about twice the energy return of comparable foams.”

Malc Kent

There is no question that the shoes helped Kipchoge run sub 2:00 in Vienna.

What could Kipchoge do if he wore the Nike Zoom Streak 6?

Malc mentions a trend that the heavier the runner the more return they get from these new Nike Vaporflies.

According to the data Malc has recorded and analyzed, trends in the data indicate that the heavier the runner the greater the advantage that they get.

Supply and Demand

Pebax is a naturally occurring crop. The demand is greater than the supply. Nike has already monopolized the available Pebax in the world (China).

A number of formerly sponsored athletes by non-Nike brands elected to wear Nike Next % at the Canadian Marathon Trails and saw big improvements at the Toronto Waterfront Marathon.

Read more at Inside the Race that Changed Canadian Marathoning.

Rather than wearing the Vaporflies, Jacob is currently working with Alex to try to develop the best shoe that they can before CIM.

Doping vs. Mechanical Doping

Those who use EPO as a performance enhancer hope to get 4-5% of an improvement gain. Recent improvements over the marathon distance indicate that those who use the Vaporflies are getting at least as much of a boost from the shoes as they would if they were using synthetic EPO.

Relative to history, how do recent performances in the Vaporflies stack up?

See list of all time fastest marathon times and courses: https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a20823734/these-are-the-worlds-fastest-marathoners-and-marathon-courses/

Let’s Run Founders suggest that the results of the 2016 Olympic Marathon should be overturned. This would include the results of the 2016 US Marathon Trails because those who qualified and medaled were wearing Vaporflies which were not available to the general public which technically is against IAAF rules. https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/letsrun-coms-track-talk/id383631335?i=1000453816857

One argument against banning the Nike Vaporflies that Alex Hutchinson makes in the Clean Sport Collective and House of Run podcasts is that Adidas and Fila each had shoes with carbon fiber plates including the shoes that Haile Gebrselassie wore to set a new marathon world record. Clean Sport Collective Podcast & House of Run Podcast.

Some of these shoes were conceptualized in Calgary at the University of Calgary. For more information on the extensive biomechanical work done in this department, listen to this podcast with head of department at the University of Calgary, Benno Nigg, with Malc Kent: https://runfisix.com/blogs/podcasts/benno-nigg

Geoffrey Burns argues that we can and should embrace innovation and technology, but there should be limits in order to preserve the integrity and ethos of the sport. Burns suggests a restriction of stack height to regulate artificial advantage.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bjsm/2019/10/14/shoes-and-sub-2-hr-marathon/ 

Burns also suggests that in order to maintain the tradition of fair play in the sport and the ability to compare records from generation to generation there should be some restrictions to technological advancements:

https://www.geoffreyburns.com/stream/trading-souls-for-soles

Malc thinks that perhaps a lower profile shoe like the one worn by Gebrselassie or the Nike Zoom Streak would be truer to the ethos of fair sport, whereas Burns is allowing the original Vaporflies to be counted.

Doping is not just about performance on race day, but recovery in training so that greater gains can be made before race day.

“If the shoes are allowing you to do two more reps per session or add a few more quality training sessions without as great a need for recovery between long runs and workouts that is giving the athlete an advantage comparable to the advantages given by using EPO or other banned substances.”

Jacob Puzey

In the year 2000 only one American male had run the Olympic qualifier, yet in 2019 at the Chicago Marathon 10 American men ran under 2:12 – all wearing either the Nike Vaporflies or Hoka and Saucony equivalents (or attempts to compete with the Vapoflies, etc.)

Read more on the results and the impact of the shoes: https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a29452570/chicago-marathon-american-men-results-2019/

Malc challenges listeners to watch the last five minutes of the Ineos 1:59 and decide how powerful the shoes are. Propulsion is one thing and reduction of fatigue is another thing. That’s the power of shoe technology right there.

https://youtu.be/Y9QRnkgngc0

All of this and more in Episode 9 of the Art and Science of Running Podcast.

Intro and outro music by Dallin PuzeyGOIN 4 A WALK.

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For more discussion on theses topics, please read:

https://www.podiumrunner.com/yes-those-nike-shoes-are-too-fast-but-should-we-ban-them_178824

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/oct/21/shoes-nike-world-records-technology

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/sports/marathon-running-nike-vaporfly-shoes.html

https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/gear/shoes/a29455211/eliud-kipchoge-nike-shoes/

https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/gear/shoes/a29558499/ban-kipchoge-nike-shoes-vaporfly/

https://www.amazon.com/Kicksology-Science-Culture-Running-Shoes/dp/1937715914

https://guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2019/10/brigid-kosgei-sets-new-record-for-womens-fastest-marathon-595061/

Or listen to these podcasts:

Magness and Marcus On Coaching Podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/magness-marcus-on-coaching/id961516002?i=1000454001855

Citius Mag Podcast with Chris Chaves:

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/citius-mag-podcast-with-chris-chavez/id1204506559?i=1000453278752

Additional resources to read and review:

Sandy Bodecker https://runningmagazine.ca/the-scene/nike-breaking2s-sandy-bodecker-dies/  

4% shoe study https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-017-0811-2 

Ineos challenge info https://www.ineos159challenge.com

Alphafly shoe info https://www.believeintherun.com/2019/10/09/a-breakdown-of-the-nike-kipchoge-prototype/

Original sub 2 project https://www.sub2hrs.com/

Breaking2 info https://www.nike.com/ca/en_gb/c/running/breaking2

Brad Wilkins info https://w124.co/about/

NN Running info https://www.nnrunningteam.com/


Episode 5: Injury Prevention, Treadmill Training, and Footwear Design with Dr. Zac Marion DPT



Have you ever wondered what a physical therapist thinks about all of the hype around certain footwear trends? We have, so we sat down with Dr. Zac Marion DPT about his unique perspective on the topic.

What makes Zac’s perspective unique is that prior to going back to graduate school to complete his doctorate in physical therapy, Zac was the product line manager for one of the shoe companies responsible for the paradigm shift in the running shoe industry – Altra Running.

In addition to being a physical therapist and one of the first employees at Altra, Zac is a coach for the treadmill app iFit. This platform enables Zac to help people from all over the world to live active lives – even if they are limited to a treadmill. In fact, the program follows Zac and other coaches to distinct sites across the globe to access spaces that may not be accessible to many (Mt. Kilimanjaro, New Zealand, Greece, etc.)

To see Zac run now, one would expect that he grew up running, be he actually didn’t grow up playing sports. In fact, it was less than a decade ago that he made the choice to switch from a sedentary lifestyle that led to obesity to a more active lifestyle that has led him to stand atop the podium of many ultramarathons.

Zac Marion at the TranSelkirks Run. Photo by Dark Horse Company

As a result of the benefits Zac found through running and the running community, Zac is all about promoting community health. iFit is a way for Zac and others to access parts of the world and move without some of the other impediments to activity. Running and iFit have provided Zac with a platform to help others move.

Advancements in technology, specifically the Internet, have enabled each of us (Zac, Malc, and Jacob) the ability to work with people from all over the world and for people from all over the world to work with experts even if they don’t live in the same area as them. We are able to do so much more now than we were even able to do just a few years ago.

Zac went back to school because he feels that it’s important to have a strong framework when it comes to evaluating bodies, theories, and fads so that we don’t always land on one side of the continuum or the other.

In this episode we discuss the importance of a comprehensive team to help each individual maximize their potential. “To just do physio and just treat people is not the full service.  Athletes need to be able to access the full suite of services – not just focus on the cardiovascular system or the musculoskeletal system.”

“Compliance is an issue when it comes to a clinic setting. However, if you approach the individual from a coaching perspective with the treatment and physical therapy the compliance is greater and there is greater accountability.”

Jacob explains what motivated him to make a career change and begin coaching full-time.

Zac shares his epiphany about a sedentary life vs. an active lifestyle that occurred ironically while sitting so long as a graduate student studying about the need for movement to avoid so many of the ailments that plague society today.

From the perspective of a physical therapist and/or exercise scientist and runner, what is the value of zero drop technology? Why zero drop and / or why not?

We are bipedal beings that either outlasted predators or prey. More in Born to Run.

An unrestricted human body can learn to be efficient. A zero drop shoe can help a restricted body get to a more efficient stride and heel strike.

However, the transition from 12mm (standard running shoe heel height) to zero drop is a lot for a tendon that is not accustomed to stretching. If someone wants to transition to zero drop, they should gradually transition from more traditional running shoes to zero drop a few millimetres at a time.

Zac explains that he is now running for another brand, Topo Athletics, that is designed to provide an incremental transition from more traditional heel to toe drops to zero drop.

As a coach and physical therapist, Zac’s goal is to keep people moving. If a person needs to stay in a 12mm drop shoe because that’s what keeps them moving then that’s what’s best for them.

“We can talk about ideal form all day long, but at the end of the day our sedentary lifestyles don’t set most of us up for ideal.”

As coaches and clinicians we need to look at less of a one answer for everybody to what is best for the individual.

Scientifically the zero drop philosophy makes perfect sense. It just doesn’t work for everyone. (Here’s another article advocating for variety in footwear). That being said, Altra has transformed the entire shoe industry. Most major brands have made adjustments to the heel to toe drop in at least some models and many are also adjusting the forefoot to allow for a more natural splayed fit.

What are the most common running injuries that you encounter and what are some things that runners can do to avoid these injuries?

“Outside of the acute injury of rolling one’s ankle, there are a lot of knee issues due to overloading the quads and not getting into the posterior chain enough.

“One of the things that can help runners avoid these types of injuries is to increase mobility in joints.  Injuries generally revolve around a joint. The purpose of muscular contractions is to move a joint with force. The issue generally comes from a limitation in joint mobility.”

Zac distinguishes between mobility and flexibility:

“Flexibility is the ability to, for example, grab your leg and pull it over your head. You have a full range of motion in your hip and you can assist your body in performing the action.

“Mobility is the opportunity to have strength and power throughout that entire range of motion. So flexibilty would be grabbing your leg and pulling it over your head whereas mobility is the ability to do that without touching your leg. You’re using your own musculature to go through that entire range of motion. It’s going to require a neuromuscular component and a strength component.”

Zac sees a lot of injuries due to lack of range of motion in the hips and hip flexors due to the sedentary lifestyle of most people. This leads the glutes to get knocked out the equation. Zac explains, “If there is 100% of a job that needs to get done and there are five muscles that are to cover 20% of the job each and one of those muscles gets knocked out then the other four muscles are overextending themselves and having to make up for what the other one was supposed to be doing. The hips never shut off because we are never getting out hips behind us and we are overspending on our quads. Now that patellar tendon is taking more stress than it should be taking.”

The majority of the injuries that physical therapists see see are overuse / over stress injuries.

“We can preach form all day long, but if you don’t have the mobility to utilize that form it’s not going to mean anything. You’re actually going to do more damage trying to adapt to the stress by being unprepared for proper form in one day.”

Mobility limitations cause patellar tendonitis and achilles tendonitis. The best thing you can do as an athlete is to do all of the extra little things and not just focus on the run. Are you getting the nutrition that you need after the run? Are you doing the work on a foam roller? Are you stretching before and after? Are you warming up properly and adequately? The biggest little thing that you can do is to take care of your muscles so that they aren’t pulling on tendons and ligaments. Focus on mobility.

To learn more about Zac you can find him on Instagram @zacmarion or look for Coach Zac’s workouts on iFit. https://www.ifit.com/blog/ifit-trainer-highlight-zac-marion/

All of this and more in Episode 5 of the Art and Science of Running Podcast.

Intro and outro music by Dallin PuzeyGOIN 4 A WALK.

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